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what's up everybody happy tuesday i'm

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glad you are here with me if you are if

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you aren't

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that's kind of annoying but you know

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there's not much i can do about it so

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if you're seeing me on twitter come hang

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out in the chat

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um we got a great guest i've known zach

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um it feels like a while but you know

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i've really only been here for

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maybe a year now

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or less doing this show maybe since you

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know six months

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and time

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goes by pretty fast but in uh the ufo

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world it seems like

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an eternity sometimes to be quite honest

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with you

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um for better for worse

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um but yeah so i've known him for a

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while he's always been a good dude to me

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um i've always liked to show he he has

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great questions it's called project

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human check it out he's got great

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interviews on there

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um so

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yeah so give me a second

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and we will be

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right back with mr zach from project

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human

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hope you like it

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but uh without further ado i'm gonna

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bring him in mr zach i am not saying

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your last name because i feel like i'm

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gonna butcher it saichi

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zaichi okay

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how are you today i am doing uh very

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well how are you sir

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good good um

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yeah it's it's

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you know i feel like it's been a long

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time

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for whatever reason

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um but right it hasn't

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yeah well you know um i've been very

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kind of in and out of things um the last

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probably several months i would say i uh

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my kids went back to school i started

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working full-time again so i haven't had

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as much time to dedicate to uh the cause

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uh yeah as as i as i was i was kind of

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going full on into it for a little bit

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and uh

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more recently i just haven't been able

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to put in the time

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i've got a backlog of interviews of

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people that want to be on the show that

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i just haven't been able to get on the

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show yet and i've got stuff recorded

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that i just haven't been able to get

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edited and out so

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hopefully uh hopefully in january things

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will clear up and i'll start getting

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getting some episodes out again

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yeah well you know you got to do what

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you got to do family comes first

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you know

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um i for better for worse don't have any

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children so you know if you see me kind

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of balls into the walls sometimes that's

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probably why

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uh what's up spaghetti

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uh just saying uh what's up to you it's

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some fam here quick lord bass what's

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happening

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lara ethereal aura what's up megan t

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jeremy jerkinson what's happening

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he actually uses his name i love that

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otherwise i'm always saying these

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interesting names and my dad always

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tells me like you got some people with

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crazy names that you're always saying hi

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nigel disclosure's team what's up diesel

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girl i got your message you named it

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after your dog that's awesome by the way

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um if i did that my name would be sweet

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pea so

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dope knows that's a good one

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to get into it i mean

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i first learned about you when i first

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started doing um the ufo twitter thing

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uh i was always kind of paying attention

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to this stuff but

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not really

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too much just more like to be honest

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more like entertainment like watching

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um luella lozando's show and all that i

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thought it was pretty cool pretty

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intriguing um but

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you know after i had my little thing or

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whatever um i was

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going a little deeper

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um you know you're one of the first

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podcasts that i found

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obviously

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and others and i just found your style

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really captivating because you took the

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time to ask great thoughtful questions

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um and you were one of the you know you

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you know early to the ball as far as

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interviews with lou elizondo and all

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that and um i thought you did quite a

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good job

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um do you mind telling us

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you know your relationship

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to ufos and and how you got here how you

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got there

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if you you know share whatever you want

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it's a long story but the you know it

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for me it began more or less at birth um

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whatever

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the the shortest way to put it is that

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my mom was really into this stuff when i

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was growing up um i don't remember a

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time uh when she was alive that she did

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not have like ufo books next to her

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bedside um or she was listening to coast

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to coast am with art belle or

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you know she was really into um all

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things kind of esoteric weird conspiracy

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theories

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uh the jfk assassination um

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roswell

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you know the whole gamut chemtrails

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but ufos were were like the thing that

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was like the main thing she always

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circled back to ufos

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so you know a lot of people the way that

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i put it to people is like a lot of

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people grow up with christianity or they

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grow up with a religion of some kind or

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um for me the closest thing to an

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organizing principle that i had was

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my mom's interest in this weird stuff

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and uh when you grow up at a young age

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that kind of in the backdrop um thinking

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um it definitely alters sort of the

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there's stuff that i would like to get

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into but i can't um and not because i

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stuff that involves family stuff that

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i hear you yeah you know um i grew up in

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the middle of the woods was isolated

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and things happened and i'll leave it at

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that i've never really gotten into this

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with anybody so

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it's something that i'm currently i'm

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it um

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trying to make sense of some some

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memories that i have but um

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yeah fast forwarding a little bit i um

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over time you know as as kids grow up

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and they rebel against the religion that

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they were brought up in i rebelled

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uh my mom's interest a bit in in all

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these weird things and i kind of started

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and um we would argue about like the

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guest that was on uh coast to coast

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you know richard hoagland or someone

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you know and i would just be like these

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people are all so full of

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you know and and then as soon as the

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internet started to be a thing i would

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internet and i'd start

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looking for things like trying to sort

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of debunk a lot of the things that that

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my mom uh was super into not because i

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was trying to be an but because

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vulnerable people out there that

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she was really really interested never

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really getting answers getting really

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angry um i remember her swearing you

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documentaries about ufos going you know

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government you know like

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lying you know things like that

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uh now today you know she passed away in

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the the new york times story

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the new york times story

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in the aftermath of my mom's death uh is

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really the kind of the thing that was

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the catalyst for me to get back into

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this subject i always had my eye on it i

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knew that tom delonge was interested i

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knew that things were going on there

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but then the new york times story came

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i sort of re-litigated the whole subject

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in my brain and it was also kind of a

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of being able to have those

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conversations again with my mom

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reinspecting my own memories my own

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thoughts on the subject um you know and

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i i started to kind of think that maybe

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maybe there is actually something to all

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this after all maybe

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yeah i mean and real quick i mean

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i also want to say that i was i was

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really angry um and i still am like

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there's this anger in me over this

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that i don't know that everyone can

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so when the us government sort of plays

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with this subject and they come out and

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they say well we're not saying it's not

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the level to which that infuriates me i

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don't know if everyone can

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relate to um again because my mom's gone

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she's not here she can't see this she

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wanted answers to these questions she's

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not gonna get them

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you know i'll even i'll even tell you

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this this is something that kind of

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during that interview with lou elizondo

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this

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he had a response that um even though i

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didn't call it out at the time it kind

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of kind of pissed me off a little bit

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because he said you know i asked him

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i talked about people that die they live

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and they die for this subject right

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um and they don't get answers and he

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said

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he kind of gave this long-winded sincere

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response

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saying he hoped that

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or he thinks that people get answers

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when they die

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okay

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i remember that

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yeah and i i

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chose not to react to it i just kept

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going with the with the interview but

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i'll be honest it's it's horseshit it's

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not a real answer for me

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um

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because either either someone does know

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something

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about these things that are going on or

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they don't

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and

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this game that's been being played for

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80 years uh 80 plus years with the

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subject is not tolerable to me i am not

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happy about that situation so

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yeah long-winded way of uh

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you know leaving a lot of things out but

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that's not just

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i thought you did a good job um

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you know

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kind of just setting up

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your story and who you are and what you

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know why you feel the way you feel

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um

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you know i get angry about it too but

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not for the same reasons more or less

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um

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you know because

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you know i i grew up

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non-denominational christian so you know

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i was living the same kind of life like

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you kind of hinted at except

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fighting against that on and off quite a

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bit yeah you know

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um so

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i can understand that way and relate

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that way um

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and a lot of people you know from from

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that community

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whether they say they believe or don't

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believe it's something that they'll

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never

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get answers to either really

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you know um but the the irritation with

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um

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i'm gonna skip over the get the answers

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when you die because

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i feel a different way about that but

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none of us can really prove it

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sure should be quite unjust

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so yeah well and i i want to be clear

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that the reason why that

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made me angry is

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it just doesn't do any good

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right right now because you're saying

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people hear it right now either know or

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don't know i could get into a really

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long-winded uh thing about

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how i feel about religion and the

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afterlife and blah blah blah

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the short version is i

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i think that heaven and hell are right

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here on earth i i don't i don't think

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about them as being after

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um i think about the entire point of of

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existence

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as

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what is here and heaven and hell are our

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states of being on earth they're not

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things to be attained

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uh after because

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that

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ultimately we can only do what we can do

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with what we have with what's right in

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front of us

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and that's how that's how i feel about

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life and i i think a lot of people do

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too so when you have someone say

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well you know hopefully you got an

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answer when yeah when you die it's like

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well

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okay but also um that doesn't do any

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good yeah that's it that's uh just well

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you know

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um

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don't worry about it like you could just

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say that to about anything like yeah

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yeah

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if you feel so i mean

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if you feel life matters then it matters

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that people get answers here right it

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matters if they get answers now well we

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can do what we want because when you die

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you're going to figure it out so yeah

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and and

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yeah and look there there are a million

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questions that you're not going to get

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an answer to you know the two biggest

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questions i think uh that you can ask

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are like you know what happens when you

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die and is there life in the universe

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and he the the pro you know the first

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one you're not gonna get an answer until

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you die and we're not really even gonna

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have a conversation about it

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uh probably unless you're robert bigelow

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and you know you pour tons of money into

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it and he's still not gonna get the

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answer probably until he's dead

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um

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completely agree but the second question

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um is there other life in the universe

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that feels attainable that feels

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answerable

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um you know

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either there is or there or there isn't

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um you know and as far as this this

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dance the government's been playing for

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80 plus years um

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either they

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know

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data that shows that there's something

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unambiguously weird

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or they they don't have that um

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and i want to be clear this isn't my

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only interest in the subject

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but as far as like how i think about

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what i can do in a public realm

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asking this question feels like the most

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important thing

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i can talk about experiences i can talk

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about things that i personally believe

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which are not the same as what i

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necessarily say all the time

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um

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but

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when it comes i do that sometimes too i

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there's a bifurcation in in how i think

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about things and i think it drives

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people a bit crazy sometimes because

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i do believe experiencers i do believe

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that the universe is weird i even think

446
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that there

447
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might be an afterlife it just doesn't do

448
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any good right like that

449
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a lot of that stuff is interesting to

450
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explore on my own but as far as like

451
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i i often try to think about like what

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can i do here and now

453
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and i've had friends who have you know

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i've had family and friends who've died

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looking for answers into the subject and

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so the most pertinent thing to me is

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why is the government playing with

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people why are they gaslighting us

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well

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why you know

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that that to me is the sort of sort of

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been the central theme of of my interest

463
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for the last several years at least on a

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public level well hey if it was like

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i don't think we any of us would really

466
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be here if we'll get the answers when we

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die was it was good enough right correct

468
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yeah yeah but otherwise what would we be

469
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doing here we'd say oh it's fine

470
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and and to be fair to like lou himself

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wouldn't be doing what he's doing if

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that was like

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good enough

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um

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i just think it's yeah and and i by the

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way like nothing against lou for what he

477
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said it's just

478
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it's like man you

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you're okay

480
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you know what i'm saying it's like

481
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you're talking to the guy who says he

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knows

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and and the thing that he says in return

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is

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not you know i would think that that

486
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like the response would be more

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something along the lines of that's why

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i'm doing what i'm doing it's that no

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one else has to die

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you know not getting the

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something like that right motivating

492
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yeah yeah something kind of motivating

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instead he's like people get answers

494
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when they die it's like what are you

495
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saying are you like what's this for then

496
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yeah right yeah that's what what's this

497
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that's a good point i wish i could just

498
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follow up with him but i haven't been

499
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able to get in touch with him since

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yeah well i haven't got a follow-up

501
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either so we're in the no follow-up crew

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all right

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but no yeah um i could say

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you know and kind of you know being on

505
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twitter with you and kind of watching

506
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the different battles you you've been in

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you know

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um

509
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yeah it's sometimes it's hard uh

510
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watching them because people don't

511
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understand

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you know

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um and

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because there's a real person behind the

515
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avatar you know and there's a reason for

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their actions whether they're positive

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or negative

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and reasons for why they're here that

519
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you don't you know you as far as people

520
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you would

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get into things with don't even know

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about

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correct you know and they're just

524
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reading words and um making instinct

525
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reactions to them

526
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and it's not fair it's not fair at all

527
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and

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you know sometimes i think that's the

529
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reason that we're not

530
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getting anywhere with this is because

531
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we're more divided in this tiny little

532
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community

533
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uh than we want to admit and yeah

534
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first of all i don't think there's many

535
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of us even

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here

537
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in the scheme of in the whole scheme of

538
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things like yeah

539
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,280
who really cares about this outside of

540
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this community if you go ask a general

541
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you know civilian or whatever at pick

542
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and say or target or grocery store

543
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because no i don't really think about it

544
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i don't really care so

545
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you know it it almost feels like

546
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sometimes that we're you know wrangled

547
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into this pit

548
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in and used for a reason you know

549
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whether that

550
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what that is i don't know but yeah i

551
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mean so so so people

552
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um often say things like

553
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um disclosure's personal you know

554
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disclosure is like whatever it means to

555
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you

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um

557
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it isn't though and i'll tell you why

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like so the

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ufo twitter wouldn't be a thing

560
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if this was all about our own isolated

561
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renegade journeys

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where we are off on their on our own

563
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path and like we get our own answers we

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do see e5 and we see the thing in the

565
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sky and then we get our own answers and

566
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that's all i need you know that's not

567
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,960
what it is we wouldn't be out here

568
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,520
talking about it right so so the for

569
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them it is but not everybody

570
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,360
it isn't though but it isn't even for

571
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them because because the only reason i

572
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know about those people is because

573
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,760
they're on twitter and they talk about

574
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,000
it and then they say things like

575
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,760
i'm on my own personal journey and i

576
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:16,400
don't need blah blah blah okay but the

577
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,720
whole human experience is is

578
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:21,840
is

579
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,600
validation through conversation through

580
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:27,919
meeting with others who

581
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,880
feel the same or similar or

582
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,880
being able to communicate something

583
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,480
right these people wouldn't be

584
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,400
communicating this at all if they did

585
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,480
not seek on some level some kind of

586
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,000
validation for

587
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,280
the things that they believe their

588
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,120
experience they're trying to find

589
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:45,280
commonality with someone

590
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,480
um

591
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,360
so disclosure to me is actually not

592
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,120
it's not just personal it actually is

593
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,799
very interpersonal it's a community

594
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,320
thing and that's why there's a community

595
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,280
of people that are all very interested

596
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,720
we all have have a different way of

597
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,000
thinking about it and we all have a

598
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760
different way i guess of

599
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:03,520
defining things

600
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,679
but you know this to me is why

601
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:09,039
this question of what the government

602
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,840
does or doesn't know is

603
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,840
actually super duper important because

604
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,200
either

605
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,520
sort of

606
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,880
all

607
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,559
you know talking about philosophy and

608
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,400
spirituality and

609
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,000
that kind of thing

610
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,600
right or we're talking about something

611
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,000
that we can concretely

612
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,000
know more about

613
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,559
um and maybe it's a mix of both but i

614
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,480
don't feel like we can get to

615
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:39,280
anything like a like a sane

616
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:40,640
conversation

617
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,480
without a solid ground to stand on and

618
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,120
you know and um

619
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,440
right now there is a solid ground being

620
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,000
dangled out in the distance and we are

621
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,640
chasing after that solid ground

622
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,880
um

623
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,480
and

624
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,039
increasingly i don't buy it if i'm being

625
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,240
honest with you

626
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,880
i don't i don't i'm not the type of

627
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,159
person to

628
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,520
um hold

629
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,320
hostile feelings or judgment or think of

630
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,320
you a certain way for having a

631
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,720
completely reasonable perspective on

632
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,159
this situation

633
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,400
yeah you know it's not it's not that i

634
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,760
don't buy yeah but well and it's not

635
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,960
that i don't buy that they know

636
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,480
something it's that i don't buy that

637
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,320
they're ever going to deliver

638
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,880
what they know um sure

639
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:29,200
you know and i'm i'm increasingly there

640
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,080
so

641
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,600
well um

642
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:32,480
it

643
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,360
you know

644
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,919
how do most people live life um judging

645
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,120
things on precedence and how things have

646
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,520
happened before like and so you don't

647
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
repeat the same type of mistakes right

648
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,960
like if you go to a job and you have an

649
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,720
interview you're gonna remember the last

650
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,400
interview you blew and you're gonna know

651
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,279
what not to do right it's it's the same

652
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,679
thing on a much bigger level like okay

653
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,919
so how does this play out how does it

654
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,320
how has ufo disclosure played out in the

655
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:01,200
past were there people that came out on

656
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,240
tv

657
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,240
that were a part of the government that

658
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,000
said things exist and we need to get

659
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,039
disclosure um did they ever give us

660
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,279
anything you know so on and so forth and

661
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,559
the answer quite honestly is yes

662
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,159
yes to people who have come out on

663
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,240
television from the government

664
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,400
throughout almost the history of this

665
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:23,039
whole thing and we're still here

666
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:24,080
so

667
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:28,320
like what is it and then we're told what

668
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,000
it is is the existence of uap that uap

669
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:34,960
exists you know yeah and and we're told

670
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,840
that's you know disclosure but at the

671
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,559
end of the day the government won't say

672
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,640
what a phenomenon

673
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,640
is as far as

674
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,440
foreign tech or

675
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,159
something unknown how is it even

676
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,120
classified as a phenomenon if you can't

677
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,520
say it isn't human made

678
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:56,960
the ua

679
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,960
the government's actions on this topic

680
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,559
for the last several years has been a

681
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,960
choose your own adventure game are you

682
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,880
mick west because there's plenty here

683
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,039
for you there's uh glitches there's

684
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,159
potential radar issues there is

685
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,760
possibility of foreign adversarial

686
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,039
drones are you a full-on believer in

687
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,880
ufos well there's something here for you

688
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,760
too because there's anomalous stuff that

689
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,960
we are not going to show you any of the

690
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,640
specific data but we don't know what it

691
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,520
is

692
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,200
well well you're going to get any more

693
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,440
specific than that no we're not

694
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,720
we're and we're also not going to say

695
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,000
it's not aliens so we're not going to

696
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,640
put any cold water on anything and

697
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,080
this is the

698
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,520
you know for someone who's been

699
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,120
following this topic the way that i have

700
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,640
for as long as i have again um this is

701
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,000
the most frustrating time ever

702
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:48,320
in the history of this topic

703
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,840
because it it it does feel as though

704
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,880
um a game is being played i just i don't

705
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,559
understand why the game is being played

706
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,320
um

707
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,840
some would say let me play devil's

708
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,240
advocate some would say that we're

709
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,159
about to have an amendment passed

710
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,360
possibly

711
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,880
um that is you know pretty detailed

712
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,600
well-rounded uh with some public reports

713
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,520
and all that which is quite a bit

714
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,000
different than any times in in the past

715
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,840
i would have to say sure not that it

716
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,760
hasn't been in congress before it has

717
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:24,400
not since the 60s but

718
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,200
so

719
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,240
with that difference in mind

720
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,679
do you

721
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,679
i guess my question is

722
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,640
does that change your perspective at all

723
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,279
and if not why

724
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,720
no

725
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,760
because

726
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,400
nowhere in any of this including and in

727
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,600
that in that amendment um

728
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,880
is any

729
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,080
hope or promise that we are going to get

730
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,360
anything like a confirmation of

731
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,720
here's what i'm looking for i'm going to

732
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,159
put it in what it is

733
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,840
i'm going to put it actually as

734
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,799
i i

735
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,080
have

736
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,000
annoying thing because i keep drumming

737
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,200
the same thing but look what we need is

738
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,320
one single piece of data showing that

739
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,720
there is something unambiguously weird

740
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,240
that has happened

741
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,000
they don't even necessarily need to get

742
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,360
into specifics they can just say

743
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,279
so the nimitz incident

744
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,480
uh

745
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,039
right so like those those pi we keep

746
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,799
hearing about the pilots we keep hearing

747
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,200
about the witnesses we keep hearing um

748
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,440
from senators and officials like oh yeah

749
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,279
of course we take them seriously

750
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:35,440
all right the nimitz incident's pretty

751
00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:39,120
good um you guys have that data because

752
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,080
would you find did you

753
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,159
unambiguously weird or not

754
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,480
there's no confirmation right it's

755
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,080
always this vague pool of possibilities

756
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,039
they don't confirm anything at any point

757
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,919
we have this um

758
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,399
circus play out

759
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,320
where we have um

760
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,000
again people who come at this from all

761
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:03,600
these different angles and everybody

762
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,360
supports more data what data

763
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,679
i'm not seeing any data i we've we've

764
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,039
been we've been doing this for a few

765
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,640
years now from

766
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:15,520
tom delong to today right this most

767
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,200
recent flap of or wave of of um

768
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,159
of uh ufos being in the news and uh

769
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,080
ultimately making its way through

770
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,799
government level stuff

771
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,000
where's the

772
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,799
data um and and is there's not even a

773
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,320
promise of it

774
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,960
there's not even a data yeah

775
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,679
and

776
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,360
lou himself has

777
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:38,880
said that we need

778
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,000
data and this has to be data driven

779
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,440
yeah and and yeah scientific

780
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,919
so yeah i mean the question is where is

781
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,080
the data but my other question is if we

782
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,480
get the data

783
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,840
um like if i got data i don't know if i

784
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,200
wouldn't know what to do with it

785
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,120
necessarily or know what it means

786
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,000
probably so we need someone to

787
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,360
tell us that

788
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,320
yeah

789
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,720
and then still there's

790
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,520
you know the opportunity for

791
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,840
more muddied waters in the translation

792
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:14,000
of the data

793
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:14,880
is there

794
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,600
something that people if i can't

795
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,720
understand the data

796
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,960
you know and this guy's telling me here

797
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:25,760
look this says that i'm like okay

798
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,360
so an object yeah no totally but so i'll

799
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,200
i'll give you an example so during the

800
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,880
nimitz incident

801
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,720
we're not talking there was like one

802
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,720
sensor we're not saying there was one

803
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:38,480
video camera

804
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,679
dozens of sensors and this

805
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,919
in any given

806
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,799
uh

807
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,520
incursion incident involving military

808
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:51,919
there are dozens of sensor platforms in

809
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,440
play not counting all the other

810
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,200
private stuff that could also

811
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,120
potentially you know the contracted

812
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,679
stuff there's all sorts of things

813
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
that

814
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,039
can corroborate the situation and try to

815
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,960
make sense of it

816
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,240
and when you have um

817
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,840
kevin day and fraver and gary voris and

818
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,840
everyone else uh saying all these

819
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,200
different things and and saying yeah

820
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,440
that we saw it right there on the it's

821
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,640
like okay

822
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,399
someone at some point

823
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,039
had the pile of data in front of them

824
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,039
and they were able to either corroborate

825
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,159
what was said or not and some of this is

826
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,240
again i'm looking for unambiguously

827
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,360
weird what would qualify an object goes

828
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,799
from here in the ocean

829
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,520
all the way up to positive space then

830
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,080
like back down it happened 80 000 foot

831
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,760
drop all these different things right

832
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,159
like so actually some of this stuff

833
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,120
should be pretty straightforward and

834
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,440
people act

835
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,520
they want us to act as if it's not

836
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:55,200
straightforward

837
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,240
and

838
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:58,399
it's a game that's the game part of it

839
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:59,279
it's like

840
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,399
they're trying to say it's not

841
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,279
straightforward it's like yes it is

842
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,720
well what if

843
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,960
you know i just sometimes i put my

844
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,320
self in

845
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:11,039
uh their shoes whoever they would be i

846
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,080
guess with the government that would

847
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,399
have the data and they have this data

848
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,399
and the thing drops from 80 000 feet or

849
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,440
whatever

850
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,399
and

851
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,399
or to corroborate the stories we've been

852
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,360
told

853
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,480
um

854
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,200
and they don't know of anything as far

855
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,000
as previously to this or maybe even

856
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,799
currently that aliens exist or

857
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,960
there's some sort of interdimensional

858
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,039
being that could be doing this

859
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,600
at what point do you make the jump to

860
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:40,960
say that like and how hard do you dig to

861
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,559
see if it's foreign until you tap out

862
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,399
you know well and

863
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,240
i mean you you're you're a great

864
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,720
resource on this because you um have dug

865
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:52,480
up all these different documents right

866
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,000
uh sure showing how far back this kind

867
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,080
of thing goes the nimitz incident is not

868
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,600
that unique in the history of uf

869
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,559
ufo um incursion incidents specifically

870
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,120
involving the military not counting all

871
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,360
the others right like

872
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,760
millions probably but we're still here

873
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:13,919
even with that being said and being out

874
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,399
we're still here you know like most

875
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,480
people don't believe that it's a thing

876
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,480
or even think about it

877
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,480
so i guess i was that different from the

878
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,640
person who would have the data now you

879
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,440
know on the nimitz case or whatever

880
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:30,000
wouldn't they still be in a position to

881
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,039
not

882
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,279
care or believe it or accept it just

883
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,919
like everybody else throughout history

884
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,159
so i mean what are we saying here then

885
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,760
um are we saying that someone looks at

886
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,159
the data and then this is hypothetical

887
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,919
sure right right

888
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,279
i'm trying to think about it from a

889
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,440
defense perspective though it's like

890
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,120
yeah they look at the data and they're

891
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,840
like yeah it's like unambiguously weird

892
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,480
like you'd say yeah and

893
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:57,200
they have to decide like

894
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,480
okay

895
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,480
this is not foreign we're sure how could

896
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:02,799
you really ever be sure how do you know

897
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,559
that china or whoever is just they hid

898
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,360
this incredibly well and you can't find

899
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,360
it well i would say because of how far

900
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,360
back the phenomenon goes again if they

901
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,640
can take um say the nimitz incident and

902
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,559
let's just say hypothetically that it is

903
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,720
unambiguously weird and they know that

904
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,399
they go back and they look at the

905
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,240
treasure trove of their other data and

906
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,159
they go oh look at this other incident

907
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,720
other similar and unambiguously weird

908
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,679
stuff

909
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,360
um then you can start to eliminate

910
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,880
foreign adversaries i'm not saying

911
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,880
anything that lou elizondo himself has

912
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,799
not said which is part part of my

913
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,159
impatience here it's like

914
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,200
it's again they it's it is actually

915
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,600
black and white straightforward that

916
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,399
part of it what it is that's a whole

917
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,360
different ballgame right now yeah right

918
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,240
um is it weird or not goddammit weird or

919
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,440
so weird

920
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,840
i'm looking for weird

921
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,480
unambiguously weird either it

922
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,279
happened or it did not and um you'll

923
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:06,159
have the attention of everyone if you

924
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,960
just simply say

925
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,639
unambiguously weird this thing did this

926
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,760
and this

927
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,359
we don't know what it is

928
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,399
yeah all right um sure

929
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,919
yeah that would be the beginning of a

930
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,320
conversation but this is not a

931
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,399
conversation what this is is a game

932
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:23,520
between

933
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,960
people that have knowledge and people

934
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,320
that don't

935
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,159
okay and and and everything that's

936
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,679
occurring

937
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,040
for one reason or the other sort of

938
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,440
being allowed to occur i'm not saying

939
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,520
that in a conspiratorial way i'm saying

940
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,919
it in a matter-of-fact way right i mean

941
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,679
like kirby could yesterday's press

942
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,280
conference say oh

943
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,280
elizondo and chris mellon said that

944
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,240
we're trying to cover this up again well

945
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,800
you know let me tell you something um

946
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,879
they actually never had anything to do

947
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,440
with ufos they're on a public speaking

948
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,920
tour banking money right now and i can

949
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,400
prove it like they could you know that's

950
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,079
hypothetical obviously but they could

951
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:03,359
just

952
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,599
whatever it is and by not doing that

953
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,320
exactly yeah so yeah well and i this is

954
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,079
what does that mean that they don't know

955
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,920
or maybe it is aliens and they're trying

956
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,320
to you know think about how to do it

957
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:20,880
look and look i'm i'm one of the few

958
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:24,400
uh people that like i'm i'm i love mick

959
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,440
west

960
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,280
i love joe mergia

961
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,320
i like i love all these different people

962
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,560
it's not okay to do that in the ufo

963
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:36,160
community no as you know but i actually

964
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,520
genuinely

965
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,000
um sincerely love a lot of people of

966
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,079
differing um points of view and here's

967
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,560
the thing the perspective that i have

968
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,720
and one of the reasons why i think that

969
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,880
i have people following me from all of

970
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:50,800
the different walks of the of ufo

971
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,920
twitter from mick west to joe mergia i'm

972
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,000
just using those as two extreme examples

973
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,359
polar officers right um i think one of

974
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,440
the reasons is that the art that the

975
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,480
arguments that i make cut across all of

976
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,520
it

977
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,480
right and and the reason why mick and i

978
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,480
um get along and we're friends is

979
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,640
because

980
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,480
he has the same questions that i do man

981
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,000
like

982
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,520
because

983
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,599
why is this all being allowed to happen

984
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,160
now he he probably wouldn't come out and

985
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,000
put it quite the way that i do because i

986
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,560
think he sees giving an inch to any of

987
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,240
this as being like

988
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,599
they'll take they'll take miles and

989
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,480
miles so he um

990
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,680
he doesn't put it quite the way that i

991
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,280
do but instead he had me on a show and

992
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:40,710
so he could bounce off of it and tell me

993
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,000
why i was uh you know nutty um but

994
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,240
you know

995
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,280
the because here's the thing

996
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,839
when was the last time you remember um a

997
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:53,200
foreign threat

998
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,440
being discussed in a in a public way

999
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,400
like a secret foreign threat

1000
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,440
right

1001
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,920
was the last time that happened

1002
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,000
we think they're they have more nukes

1003
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,760
than us possibly we don't really know

1004
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,760
for sure yet but we're trying to figure

1005
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,200
it out so

1006
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,320
you know

1007
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:13,920
this is where journalism has completely

1008
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,359
failed by the way yeah um so so here the

1009
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,599
first underlying question that i've i'm

1010
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,880
a journalist and i'm at the new york

1011
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,960
times the question that i ask is wait

1012
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,400
wait wait wait wait

1013
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,760
what are you guys doing like we're wait

1014
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:27,760
we're having a we're having a

1015
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,760
conversation about incursion incidents

1016
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,280
at all

1017
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,119
this is usually the kind of thing that

1018
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,320
is strictly behind classified walls

1019
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:40,880
period regardless of whether it leaks or

1020
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,240
not and the dod response is nothing

1021
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,480
nothing they will say nothing about it

1022
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,440
and if it is if it's possibly a foreign

1023
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,640
drone

1024
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,320
um they'll they'll

1025
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,160
that's intelligence that they need in

1026
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,079
the backdrop and it's nothing you get to

1027
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,880
know about so what are we doing what is

1028
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,280
that's why i call this a game

1029
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,800
um

1030
00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:04,800
either

1031
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:06,280
this is some kind of

1032
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,079
compartmentalization nightmare where

1033
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,640
someone is asking a question about a

1034
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,200
thing that someone else can't say what

1035
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,240
the truth is i'll give you a

1036
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,800
hypothetical hypothetical is i love

1037
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,560
those yeah so the hypothetical is the

1038
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,200
nimitz incident is we actually know that

1039
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:25,520
it's chinese drones let's just say that

1040
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,270
you might let all of this play out in

1041
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,880
order to

1042
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,920
not say what you know right and and and

1043
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,520
the problem being that you've got

1044
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,520
witnesses coming out and talking about

1045
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,200
what they saw

1046
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,720
they can't do anything about that they

1047
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,400
can't like kill them

1048
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,920
right they're gonna come out and they're

1049
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,440
gonna talk about it

1050
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,599
you've got tom belongs to the stars

1051
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,520
academy you've got people that were in

1052
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,640
the government who um come out and they

1053
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,280
they saw data of something that was

1054
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,400
weird maybe they those people themselves

1055
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,640
did not have the access

1056
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,280
to the actual data or the

1057
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,040
level of intelligence where they

1058
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,800
actually did confirm it was a chinese

1059
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,960
drone

1060
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,640
something like this entire cluster

1061
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,640
of a situation could play out as a

1062
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,520
result of people basically chasing each

1063
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
other's tail um and then the dod being

1064
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,040
like we're just trying to control

1065
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,640
the situation

1066
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,200
um in which we have been technologically

1067
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,040
leapfrogged and we don't know how to

1068
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,560
tell people that

1069
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,880
so we are going to play a game where we

1070
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,119
don't um let anybody know our cards by

1071
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,839
obfuscating the entire situation by

1072
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,040
dangling

1073
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,320
it may or may not be aliens right oh a

1074
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,560
way easier thing would

1075
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,800
would be to just say it's ours

1076
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,280
yeah that's ours because then you would

1077
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,960
have china or russia or whatever

1078
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,320
thinking like

1079
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,480
they think it's theirs so they do have

1080
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,480
this but then you'd be but then then

1081
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
you're then talking about disclosure of

1082
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,359
secret advanced technology which is a

1083
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,240
whole it's the same problem again right

1084
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:07,520
so but i mean you know what i'm saying

1085
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,480
like

1086
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,640
there there are versions of this where

1087
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,160
it need not necessarily be um aliens or

1088
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,359
anything um weird right

1089
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,319
i personally do think it is weird just

1090
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,599
for the record

1091
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,200
i just try to think about it from the

1092
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:26,960
skeptical position and um even for the

1093
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,240
most hardened skeptic you cannot

1094
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,480
i mean you can see the frustration with

1095
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,040
with mick and others like

1096
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,200
they are just as like much trying to

1097
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,920
figure out what the hell is the pentagon

1098
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,240
doing yeah yeah

1099
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,800
the unfortunate part sometimes is that

1100
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,400
you know this whole

1101
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,960
ufo twitter and this whole situation

1102
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,560
and the whole like

1103
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:53,599
amendment stuff and and everything

1104
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,680
is just has such a narrow view of the

1105
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,079
reality of the situation

1106
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:02,160
like you know like you said

1107
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,240
yes i have gone deep into documents and

1108
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,720
they're probably if i had to guess that

1109
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,960
at least a thousand military incursions

1110
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,680
of things that are uh unknown that they

1111
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,160
didn't wind up identifying throughout

1112
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,119
you know the course of time up until now

1113
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,599
right and it's

1114
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,319
into to act like that's

1115
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,680
not a thing

1116
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:28,079
is which is basically what's happening

1117
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:28,960
is

1118
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,400
irresponsible and um kind of offensive

1119
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,119
to be honest and there were papers

1120
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,680
uh newspapers and journalists that wrote

1121
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,079
about these reports and the military

1122
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,319
incursions sometimes you know

1123
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,040
um and i've seen those newspaper

1124
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,960
clippings you have to look at those when

1125
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,119
you look at these other reports

1126
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,079
yeah and it's just like what

1127
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,160
what happened and because they're not

1128
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,359
what

1129
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,079
why is it because they were told not is

1130
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,040
it because they were burned on it before

1131
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,200
maybe and made to look silly for

1132
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,640
reporting it

1133
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,960
like what's the deal what you're right

1134
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,839
why

1135
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,000
how can a journalist not

1136
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,880
why is ufo twitter way more into finding

1137
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,160
the truth than a journalist on this

1138
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
right and it doesn't make sense because

1139
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,880
they get paid

1140
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:20,800
well and again

1141
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,319
you don't you need not involve aliens to

1142
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,319
ask why is this going on right you could

1143
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,040
be keith klore who everyone like in ufo

1144
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,720
twitter land loads

1145
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,800
but he could he could go ask this

1146
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,920
question

1147
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,440
what are you doing

1148
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,839
what is this about right and the best he

1149
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,760
could probably do is is speculate but

1150
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,400
you don't have to speculate to ask

1151
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
hey pentagon yeah unambiguously weird or

1152
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,680
not that should be the new york times

1153
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,400
headline hey pentagon unambiguously

1154
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,119
weird or not we demand answers

1155
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,440
on behalf of you know the people that we

1156
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,119
represent in our readership we want to

1157
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,880
know what the hell is actually going on

1158
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,040
and we'd like you to stop dangling this

1159
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,920
issue because it's dangerous to do that

1160
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,359
especially

1161
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:07,119
makes a good point here

1162
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,480
um

1163
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,800
like if it was an adversary wouldn't

1164
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,680
they be shutting lou down from talking

1165
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,119
at this point

1166
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,599
unless if they think the obfuscation of

1167
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,720
the topic is fantastic and they don't

1168
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,760
have a problem with it so if lou is so

1169
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,560
what's lou doing um he's he's

1170
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:29,119
kind of adding fuel to the to the belief

1171
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:34,790
he is yeah yeah

1172
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,520
he's very look yeah he's very much

1173
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,200
adding fuel to the belief that this is

1174
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,920
something unambiguously weird probably

1175
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,520
extraterrestrial

1176
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,400
um

1177
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,440
you know

1178
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,920
but he said he believes roswell happened

1179
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:49,599
yeah

1180
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,160
you know without getting into everything

1181
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,560
that lou thinks it's like

1182
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:58,880
if i'm if i'm if i'm

1183
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,160
in the intelligence game um

1184
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,240
and i'm above lou and i actually know

1185
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:05,680
what's going on

1186
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,359
and this guy um who used to work for us

1187
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,119
is going around talking about how it you

1188
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,200
know might be this or might be that

1189
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,359
that might be a much better situation

1190
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:17,359
than someone who is actually informed

1191
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,800
about exactly what it is

1192
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,880
right versus them just saying like dude

1193
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,800
you can't talk about this anymore come

1194
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:27,119
over here this is like this kind of tech

1195
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,640
like enough

1196
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,040
yeah again again i'm not even saying

1197
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,480
that that

1198
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,240
is the case again i'm going i'm running

1199
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,280
through hypotheticals here yeah no no no

1200
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,960
because the kind these are the kinds of

1201
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,400
things that if like you if you were to

1202
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,839
tweet them

1203
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,520
you know people read the worst possible

1204
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,359
interpretation of like why it is that

1205
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,079
you you say things right yeah

1206
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,680
no matter what you do

1207
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,200
and um

1208
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,520
yeah i mean and and people will probably

1209
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,760
there are people that don't like me who

1210
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,200
will go through this interview they'll

1211
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,280
find like this part where zach said this

1212
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,240
and you know whatever yeah it just but i

1213
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,720
mean it is what it is i'm just saying

1214
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,800
we're two adults conversing about a

1215
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,200
crazy situation that is not being made

1216
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,680
black and white to us when we think it

1217
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,720
probably should be you know yeah i i i

1218
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,040
just i'm of the firm

1219
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,880
belief that this is actually

1220
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,240
straightforward and to pretend that it's

1221
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:23,440
not

1222
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,680
um is participating in a larp

1223
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,880
i mean

1224
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,319
you know what i'm saying like and the

1225
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,960
reason i say that is because again

1226
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,640
are you it's like you're asking me to

1227
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,160
pretend that i don't know that the

1228
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,079
sensor date is there

1229
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,359
this has been my problem with this from

1230
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,920
the start that uap report is asking me

1231
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,920
to pretend that i don't know

1232
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,599
that there are dozens of sensor

1233
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:47,040
platforms and every one of these

1234
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,520
incidents in a 143 out of 144 cases they

1235
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,520
couldn't figure out any of them

1236
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,319
except for one that was maybe a balloon

1237
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:57,920
this doesn't make any sense it doesn't

1238
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,319
pass any kind of basic logic again

1239
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,440
i think it's possible they're

1240
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,200
unidentified

1241
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,800
what i'm saying is

1242
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,560
yeah i think they're unidentified they

1243
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,160
probably just can't figure out what it

1244
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,839
is based on what they have is i mean

1245
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,599
that's what i imagine

1246
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,200
yeah and and i think a lot of it

1247
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,680
probably falls with one within what mick

1248
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,440
would call the low information zone not

1249
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,400
enough information to identify

1250
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,599
um

1251
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,520
yeah so either the thing is like too far

1252
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,680
away or whatever or actually maybe it's

1253
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,680
just not that interesting like literally

1254
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,359
it was just a glimmer in the distance

1255
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,560
and that was it

1256
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:35,680
um we don't know what those 143 cases

1257
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,560
were but um some number of them um

1258
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,960
i imagine the nimitz is maybe one of

1259
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,720
those like

1260
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,240
the nimitz one

1261
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,240
gets me it's like that one's public that

1262
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,079
one we know about and that one we know

1263
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,240
how many sensor platforms were involved

1264
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,119
so again we either do or we don't know

1265
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:57,040
this is actually

1266
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,319
amazingly

1267
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,720
quite straightforward to get an answer

1268
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,040
and nobody's asking that question and i

1269
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,200
find that fascinating

1270
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,680
so it should be uh yeah front and center

1271
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,000
for sure and i'm not asking the pentagon

1272
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,160
to release classified information here

1273
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,400
i'm asking for confirmation

1274
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,520
unambiguously weird or not witnesses

1275
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,160
is what they're saying true or not this

1276
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,680
is not classified unless

1277
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,480
yes

1278
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,990
it would be the start of a conversation

1279
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,000
right yeah because then you get to ask a

1280
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,400
follow-up right because but we're not

1281
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,480
we're not even there yet

1282
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:38,960
like like where we are right now is we

1283
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,640
have a choose your own adventure game

1284
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,400
couldn't it still be though if they said

1285
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,319
yes like oh they just want us to think

1286
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,920
that so they can

1287
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,480
you know control us or make us you know

1288
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,800
think about this stuff or

1289
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,319
you know you could always say that like

1290
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,760
would people like what people do with

1291
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,480
the coronavirus right now you know

1292
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,760
yeah

1293
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,800
but

1294
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:03,119
no um so i mean

1295
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,079
they're

1296
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:06,000
um i mean that yeah i mean that's a

1297
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,119
whole

1298
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,480
can of worms another

1299
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,440
gambit there are people for whom that

1300
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,520
like hearing anything out of a out of a

1301
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,680
authority they're automatically gonna

1302
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,359
jump to the assumption that it's not

1303
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:19,920
true or whatever i'm not i'm not that

1304
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,200
person i don't think

1305
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:24,880
you know people in the circles that i

1306
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,800
run in are not that way um and

1307
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,920
yeah

1308
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,599
i hear you

1309
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:33,200
you know it's kind of like

1310
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,240
i don't know there's always this like

1311
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:36,960
unfalsifiability with everything in the

1312
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,680
ufo community um

1313
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,559
like

1314
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,480
people will say

1315
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,280
no video would ever prove it

1316
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,599
no video i'm like no video

1317
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
really hold my beer because i bet you i

1318
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,680
could if i were

1319
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,359
if i were in the pentagon i bet you i

1320
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,200
could find a video that would prove it

1321
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,839
um all you need is two couple things you

1322
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,839
need provenance you need to know where

1323
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,400
it's from you need in other words you

1324
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,880
know off the bat it's not photoshop

1325
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,559
um and then it needs to show something

1326
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:08,000
weird

1327
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,720
that's

1328
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,319
that video does actually alter the

1329
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,960
conversation there's this idea like

1330
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,599
there's no there's nothing that could

1331
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,359
ever prove it for people

1332
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,440
is nuts to me um of course there is

1333
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,480
yeah that's

1334
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,040
that's tough i mean because you could be

1335
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,760
absolutely right but like i always just

1336
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,480
kind of seem to fall back on what i just

1337
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,160
talked about is like

1338
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,760
is that enough the government telling

1339
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,839
you that this is real and from here

1340
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,160
like there will always be a subset of

1341
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,720
highly conspiratorial people that think

1342
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,319
that everything is a conspiracy they

1343
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,559
think that right look there's people

1344
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,559
that think that the covet vaccine will

1345
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,280
cause your arm to be magnetic you know

1346
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,640
there are people who think all sorts of

1347
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,160
things they obviously you can't stop at

1348
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,280
all now but actually this circles back

1349
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:57,839
to part of my anger and frustration with

1350
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,319
the government because

1351
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,119
this is an all-time high situation of

1352
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,839
people believing in conspiracy theories

1353
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,559
of of of a populist and a society that

1354
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:09,920
is vulnerable

1355
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,000
uh to um being led misled uh by all

1356
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:16,319
sorts of different groups and people and

1357
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,000
and all sorts of things um

1358
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,000
and they're playing this game

1359
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,359
with ufos really because it's

1360
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,760
yeah is that is that different like uh

1361
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,040
let's you know they come out with a

1362
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,200
video whatever it's it's

1363
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:33,200
you know jaw-dropping and there's the

1364
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,079
people

1365
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,720
that are still conspiracy whatever and

1366
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,520
won't buy it or whatever so

1367
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,160
i guess how is that different from not

1368
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,760
believing them now when they say they

1369
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,599
don't know what they are

1370
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,200
the difference is that the scale of the

1371
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,359
conversation would widen so

1372
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,520
significantly that the people on the

1373
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,359
fringe would just be on the fringe and

1374
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,880
then the rest of us would actually be

1375
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,359
having a conversation about reality the

1376
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,839
new reality becomes that there's a video

1377
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,000
of an unambiguously weird thing we know

1378
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,720
what the provenance was and we know yeah

1379
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,319
right so

1380
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,680
and yes there's going to be some group

1381
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,319
of people out there who says that's

1382
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,839
but then they shrink to being the

1383
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,040
minority

1384
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,359
right um and then the the majority of

1385
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:17,040
people are like okay i guess

1386
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,480
there's aliens let's figure that out

1387
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,920
what yeah

1388
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,520
and right

1389
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,920
life changes pretty much but yeah i

1390
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,520
still don't understand why life would

1391
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,599
change because you see you see a video

1392
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,200
okay you know there's other life out

1393
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,559
there you know for networks and

1394
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,680
let's say

1395
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,559
but

1396
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,480
does your life really have to change

1397
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:38,400
does that mean all of a sudden that you

1398
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,280
have to

1399
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,280
deal with it or confront it and you

1400
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,359
can't just live your life as you were

1401
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,880
yes you know i i i i would call it

1402
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,559
are you familiar with like disruption

1403
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,440
theory and technology where there's uh

1404
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:53,440
there's like a disruptive force say

1405
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,640
something along the lines of like the

1406
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,480
automobile gets invented and then it

1407
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,880
changes real estate therefore all jobs

1408
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,040
change and society changes smartphone

1409
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,839
being the most recent example

1410
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:05,520
where everything changes as a result of

1411
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,839
that that one thing um i would call

1412
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:12,000
knowledge of not being alone in the

1413
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,319
universe and um existential disruption

1414
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,000
no it's not going to alter your

1415
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,000
day-to-day life exactly at least not

1416
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,160
overnight but what it will do is it's

1417
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,680
going

1418
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,920
there are zero people on this planet

1419
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,920
that don't ask this question

1420
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,760
and for whom that this question is like

1421
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,640
not important on some level sure it's

1422
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,440
going to alter the way that we think

1423
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,480
about our role in life like what we're

1424
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,160
doing and it's going to change the way

1425
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,400
we think about the future it's going to

1426
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,480
change the way we think about like where

1427
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,160
we're putting our priorities so all of a

1428
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,319
sudden i bet nasa's gonna get a lot more

1429
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,720
funding because like

1430
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,280
we we need to know more about that

1431
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,440
um and now we'll have a concrete reason

1432
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,400
to do it right as opposed to now

1433
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,599
where

1434
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,200
we're still playing with like oh there

1435
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,800
might be life on mars we don't really

1436
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,240
know we're going to send a rover up and

1437
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:05,920
see if there's let's collect some rock

1438
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:08,720
blah blah blah blah like

1439
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,240
that changes immediately it's like oh

1440
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,640
there's life um

1441
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,480
or there's something and we need to

1442
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,319
start exploring that and i think yes

1443
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:20,640
it's actually a massive existential

1444
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,800
disruption to our um identity um

1445
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,319
your day-to-day life you still gotta eat

1446
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,520
you still gotta have a job you still

1447
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,119
gotta do all those things

1448
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,839
but it will it would be a uh that's when

1449
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,280
you get home from work will be a whole

1450
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,920
lot different than they used to be

1451
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:37,680
it's yeah it's gonna it's gonna it's

1452
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,720
gonna change your framing of of how you

1453
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,280
think about your place in this life in

1454
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,599
this this mortal short

1455
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,240
the blip that you get um it might alter

1456
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,839
the way that you choose to live that

1457
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,800
life

1458
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,119
yeah and i think that that is why this

1459
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,200
is such an important question you know

1460
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,240
and i think it's why it's so important

1461
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,720
that uh that the government clear up

1462
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,559
some of this if

1463
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,800
you know i feel like we're we're at the

1464
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,760
the

1465
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,760
precipice of

1466
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,760
one of two things with with this

1467
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,319
amendment either

1468
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,760
yeah you know this goes through and they

1469
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,760
do their job and there are reports that

1470
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,079
are coming out and they're clear and

1471
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,559
give more details and

1472
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,960
get to an answer of

1473
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:27,040
you know what it is

1474
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,480
or

1475
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,960
it's gonna be like the ultimate

1476
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:33,200
deflating balloon

1477
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,559
type of thing

1478
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,559
get everybody's hopes up get everybody

1479
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,680
ramped up talking um you know doing

1480
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,319
activism let's go let's do it we're here

1481
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,000
this is real see the government said

1482
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,680
that and then they just

1483
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,680
um like condone report it

1484
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,839
if it's the deflating balloon this is

1485
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,559
one of the single most dangerous pieces

1486
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,640
of pr that the government has done in

1487
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:55,839
history

1488
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,920
and and the reason why i say that is

1489
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,119
because

1490
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,839
i don't worry about

1491
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,160
what people are doing about this today

1492
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,960
i worry about the way that this

1493
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,640
fodder that they're putting out there

1494
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,359
for people is going to permeate

1495
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,720
through communities for decades to come

1496
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,799
uh people are going to look back at this

1497
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,280
time with this ufo stuff even if it's

1498
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,920
especially if it's a deflating balloon

1499
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,440
they're going to say well look at this

1500
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,599
time that they almost disclosed

1501
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,839
information and they didn't

1502
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:30,000
right look at this period of time and

1503
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,040
and

1504
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,480
you know

1505
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:34,480
queueing on and all sorts of really

1506
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,079
dangerous groups out there um use

1507
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,720
historical stuff as

1508
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,040
fuel for that and it's like

1509
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,480
yeah if this all turns out to be a

1510
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,400
deflating balloon then this is the

1511
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,480
dumbest thing that our government's done

1512
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,520
in

1513
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,520
i mean not ever like they've done dumber

1514
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,960
things but like

1515
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,880
but it's it's up there it's dumb it's

1516
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,640
super dumb um

1517
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,880
you know i make zero sense really you

1518
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,280
know yeah yeah i mean one of the ways

1519
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,280
that i just try to have fun with this i

1520
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,119
just i just call it dumb this is all

1521
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,839
dumb you know like

1522
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,240
this is so dumb this is a really dumb

1523
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:11,680
situation

1524
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,640
it's not like the the this like the

1525
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,640
pretending that we don't know that

1526
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,359
there's sensors like that's dumb

1527
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,480
um playing this game if it's not

1528
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,280
something cool that's dumb um playing

1529
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,359
this game if it's

1530
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,319
foreign like every version of this i

1531
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,000
used to say like every version of this

1532
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,839
is something interesting now i say every

1533
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:36,000
version of this is something dumb

1534
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,799
um

1535
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,920
in a way

1536
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,319
like it could be profound but also dumb

1537
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,200
it could be this way to get there was

1538
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,799
always dumb i just want to be super

1539
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,079
clear

1540
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,680
aliens on the other side of this this

1541
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,079
was still dumb i don't i don't get it

1542
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:52,480
now there is one scenario

1543
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:53,520
where

1544
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,280
makes sense

1545
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:58,720
one

1546
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,799
probably wouldn't yeah well not even

1547
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,960
that i'm that i'm fighting like i'm hope

1548
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,960
this is what i want

1549
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:09,040
okay like obviously it's what you want

1550
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,480
it's what i want it's what everybody

1551
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,400
would like ideally like i want to hear

1552
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:13,760
it yeah

1553
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,360
it's aliens

1554
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:16,880
[Laughter]

1555
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,319
it actually is aliens and they can't

1556
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,839
figure out how to get their

1557
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,240
together enough to to like

1558
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,359
it's like do we say it like in one day

1559
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,920
or do we say it over like five years

1560
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,760
right and they probably choose let's say

1561
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,960
it over five years for a lot of reasons

1562
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,559
right

1563
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,880
that's a possibility now the problem

1564
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,440
with that let's say that's true it's

1565
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:43,599
like

1566
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,640
how long can that go

1567
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,760
right

1568
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:51,520
yeah before you it's like or get

1569
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,640
off the pot

1570
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,480
and and let's say you believe that

1571
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,640
that's what's happening

1572
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,280
and you are say a personality in the ufo

1573
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,200
world and you are saying look it's it's

1574
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:02,559
coming it's gonna happen it's gonna

1575
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:06,079
happen you know um you know

1576
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,880
how long can you keep up that

1577
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,559
unfalsifiable situation right

1578
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,280
like it's very it's it's very positive

1579
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,359
so the problem is that one it could be

1580
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,200
true and then two

1581
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,960
um

1582
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,200
there's no timeline so you get to say

1583
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,760
that it could be true forever

1584
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,079
cool it's like it's like trying to prove

1585
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,319
god it's like

1586
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,440
you know

1587
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,280
well you'll get you'll find out when you

1588
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:32,319
die

1589
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,400
oh he brought it back yeah

1590
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,799
circle back to that i'm not a big fan of

1591
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,599
of like unfalsifiable

1592
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,440
thinking and it just kind of drives me

1593
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,040
crazy so

1594
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:46,160
it's like

1595
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,960
like i'm like when you know there are

1596
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,119
the black and white point-blank question

1597
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,119
they could answer today is whether or

1598
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,359
not there is or is not unambiguously

1599
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,079
weird data and honestly like

1600
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,920
you people talk about the witnesses and

1601
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,520
the pilots and whatever it's like the

1602
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,839
biggest disservice happening right now

1603
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:08,480
is to those people just to be clear

1604
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,839
um they are being hung out to dry um

1605
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,240
i know i i know some of those witnesses

1606
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,400
feel this way diatrick does not i've

1607
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,640
taught i've i've had brief interactions

1608
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,319
with her on twitter where she basically

1609
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,760
says

1610
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,880
she doesn't spend any time thinking

1611
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,880
about this at all and

1612
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,559
while she's leave that for a second by

1613
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,640
the way yeah i don't believe it like but

1614
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:32,720
but but this is what she says and i'll

1615
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:37,280
take her word she says you know um

1616
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,559
that that she is not seeking validation

1617
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,799
or confirmation of anything like and she

1618
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:44,240
also doesn't seem to think it's like

1619
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,760
that interesting

1620
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,920
i personally think that has to not be

1621
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,640
true because i don't think judy evolved

1622
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,359
at all if that were true i

1623
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,599
you know um

1624
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,079
a potential ufo and you don't find that

1625
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,760
interesting okay you don't need

1626
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,240
validation or whatever but that doesn't

1627
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,160
mean that like you can't think about it

1628
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,880
constantly what you would have to do

1629
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,359
if you were well i think she would say

1630
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,960
to be fair to her i think what she would

1631
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,720
say is like i was being dragged into

1632
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,720
this whether i wanted to or not

1633
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,200
um people were starting to know my name

1634
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,720
i know and as soon as i went on the

1635
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:21,599
thing like everyone knew and so i i

1636
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,160
think she's like i'm a ufo personality

1637
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,000
whether i want to be or not i guess i'll

1638
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,559
play with it like kind of thing um

1639
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:30,480
hypothetically yeah

1640
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,200
but

1641
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,160
her her aside and you know i totally

1642
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,839
respect that it's like

1643
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,000
other well and also it's i put fravor

1644
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,920
kind of in the same boat as her not

1645
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,920
really pounding the table for answers

1646
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,880
exactly um but some of the other some of

1647
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,720
the other witnesses are pounding the

1648
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,880
table and saying like it would be

1649
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:51,040
really great guys if you could just tell

1650
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,640
us one way or the other

1651
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,559
that what the hell you don't even have

1652
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,520
to tell us what just at least say

1653
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,079
at least validate it at least say like

1654
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,799
yeah this happened right they can say

1655
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,319
that it happened but it would be that

1656
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,000
much more meaningful if the if the

1657
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,319
pentagon confirmed that it happened if

1658
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,520
the way that they said it happened

1659
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,400
you know and that that part of this is

1660
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,119
is

1661
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,839
straightforward black and white and no

1662
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,480
journalist that um is

1663
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,990
uh you know no no new york times

1664
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,160
journalist or washington post or

1665
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,640
whatever like they have not

1666
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,040
pounded on this question in that way

1667
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:34,559
instead

1668
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,839
they're participating in the game of

1669
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,280
well it could be aliens and they're

1670
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:40,799
playing the x-files music and they're

1671
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,160
doing all that you know yeah very true

1672
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,640
it's frustrating this is this is why i'm

1673
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,559
mad and why i'm still

1674
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,040
very frustrated that's uh that's good to

1675
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,680
me that's the most frustrating part is

1676
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,520
is the media aspect of this like the

1677
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,119
last press conference kirby did or

1678
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,559
whatever yesterday

1679
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,359
like how do you not just ask

1680
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,119
when will you be able to tell us what

1681
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:04,960
this is

1682
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,599
yeah yeah i mean yeah i mean one and

1683
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,680
then you can follow up on that well we

1684
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,640
don't know

1685
01:02:14,590 --> 01:02:12,960
maybe we got some reports yet well when

1686
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,600
is that going to be sir

1687
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,480
[Laughter]

1688
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,559
no one's why are they asking that hit

1689
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,720
the presser honestly if i were there i'd

1690
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,559
pl i'd play it different because i know

1691
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,119
what he'll say to questions direct about

1692
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,440
it he'll say some pat thing

1693
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480
about well you know it's classified blah

1694
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:32,160
blah blah we're looking into it because

1695
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,000
obviously it's we have a directive to do

1696
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,920
so so we're looking into it

1697
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:37,359
i would ask him something different i

1698
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,789
hey why are you doing this

1699
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,799
at all like what do you

1700
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,720
do do you guys are you guys usually in

1701
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,440
the business of talking openly about

1702
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:53,760
potential foreign threats

1703
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,280
yeah you could say you know you've never

1704
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,440
done this in the past what so what's the

1705
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,359
change of course what's the difference

1706
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:00,720
here

1707
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,039
articulate that like clearly

1708
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:09,200
they wouldn't they'd be like get him out

1709
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,240
of here

1710
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,240
you know him i would i would even ask

1711
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,920
the same thing of you know if i could

1712
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,680
get if i could get barack obama on the

1713
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,079
spot because he's made comments

1714
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,079
man yes like

1715
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,160
i can't believe with

1716
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:24,400
the comment he's made that the media

1717
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,680
hasn't been constantly jumping all over

1718
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:29,359
everything about this

1719
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:32,640
like you know like like dude clarify the

1720
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,520
president

1721
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,839
yeah like and it's really important that

1722
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,440
you and i would this is what drives me

1723
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,200
crazy i have a way that i would ask

1724
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,480
these questions they never do it

1725
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,920
you know and and the way that i would

1726
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,319
ask barack obama is i'd say

1727
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,520
sir

1728
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,760
this is really serious are you sure that

1729
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:52,400
you don't want to put cold water on this

1730
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,839
because

1731
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,599
look there's there's people like myself

1732
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,119
who like they've lived with this thing

1733
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,760
their whole lives and they feel gaslit

1734
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:01,680
when you say these things just want to

1735
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,880
be super clear you know mr x president

1736
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,400
um

1737
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,920
well we furry says we don't know what

1738
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:10,000
they are so if that's true

1739
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:10,799
yeah

1740
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,680
because right now

1741
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:17,359
everyone between

1742
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:23,430
to christopher mellon and lou elizondo

1743
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,880
are they're all shaping their own

1744
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,640
narratives some of these people say that

1745
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:28,240
there's a fake alien invasion coming do

1746
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,440
you want people to believe that that's

1747
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,920
the danger yeah yeah the

1748
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,079
yeah the moldable narrative and forget

1749
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,319
the things that like we know about uh

1750
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,839
it's the things that i don't know about

1751
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,000
that scare me the most you know i didn't

1752
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,920
know about q anon until it was like kind

1753
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:44,160
of too late um

1754
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,520
you know these but these people had been

1755
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,760
percolating for quite a long time and

1756
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:48,480
and

1757
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,359
um

1758
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:51,599
it wasn't a problem until it was

1759
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,680
and they they they use stuff like this

1760
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,000
as a way to get people to believe

1761
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,920
it's like the government says there's

1762
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,319
aliens even if it's i can come out and

1763
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,839
say that

1764
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,440
and a lot of people are just like yeah

1765
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:07,839
they did

1766
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,440
right

1767
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,400
yeah because they didn't they did not do

1768
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,920
that so

1769
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:18,000
there's this wiggle room of again this

1770
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,599
is why i call it a choose your own

1771
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:21,440
adventure game

1772
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:29,930
a phenomenal piece of foreign deck or

1773
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,400
[Laughter]

1774
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,039
do you like radar glitches like here's

1775
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,960
the the only this is the kind of the

1776
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,440
scenario that makes the most sense to me

1777
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,599
after you know because you know me too

1778
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,520
like i don't just sit here and believe

1779
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:48,319
everything i am skeptical yeah of stuff

1780
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:50,000
too and i do think about it pretty

1781
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,280
deeply

1782
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,920
even having an experience i don't just

1783
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,079
sit there and say that was an alien

1784
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,240
because nothing about it looked you know

1785
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,400
there's nothing i could take from that

1786
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,559
to say oh that was an e.t

1787
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,599
you know it was weird it was bizarre

1788
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,359
most definitely but by no means does

1789
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:09,280
that mean it was from outer space you

1790
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:10,000
know

1791
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,589
it's

1792
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,680
i forgot where i was going with this but

1793
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:17,200
uh oh the thing that makes the most

1794
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,799
sense to me um is like in

1795
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,200
i can say this truly and honestly and

1796
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,119
i'll say this and you know you can have

1797
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,920
your last word and we'll get out of here

1798
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:30,160
um

1799
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,200
military incursions and

1800
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,359
the same kind of descriptors as people

1801
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,839
give now like take out the navy videos

1802
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,559
take out lou and all that still reports

1803
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:48,720
that people give are the same kind of

1804
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:51,280
descriptors same maneuvers

1805
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:54,799
um all that sort of thing and but also

1806
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,960
along with those

1807
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,920
are

1808
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,559
like final reports from everyone from

1809
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:02,960
physics and research to

1810
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,920
um psychological boards to

1811
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:07,440
uh cia

1812
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,559
to

1813
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:09,440
um

1814
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:14,079
you know other branches and it's always

1815
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,039
like

1816
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,280
i truly think

1817
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,599
that this stuff exists

1818
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,760
and they really don't

1819
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,760
know what it is

1820
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:25,280
still

1821
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,799
that's what i think and they've been

1822
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:29,760
trying to ignore it they tried to ignore

1823
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,319
it many times let's pretend it don't it

1824
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,319
doesn't exist maybe it won't

1825
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,720
they've tried to debunk it

1826
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,039
maybe it's just these people get it in

1827
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,960
their heads that you know this stuff is

1828
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:42,880
possible and they see stuff and report

1829
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,760
it as such so let's try to do something

1830
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,240
about that but it keeps going and it

1831
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:49,599
keeps happening

1832
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,480
and

1833
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,839
you know it's getting the point where

1834
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,240
technology is has gotten good enough to

1835
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,799
maybe get some data on this stuff but

1836
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,559
they still that doesn't mean they know

1837
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,920
what it is

1838
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,319
right and sometimes i think like they're

1839
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,280
just as confused as anybody else and

1840
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,240
then how at that point do you tell

1841
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:10,240
people about something you don't

1842
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,839
understand like that without causing

1843
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,720
like

1844
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,319
even more

1845
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,080
multiple narratives yeah at that point

1846
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,000
i um

1847
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,080
100 agree um in fact i would actually go

1848
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,080
a step further and i would say

1849
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,239
it's almost like it's almost necessarily

1850
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,440
true that they don't understand it um

1851
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,600
you know we have science fiction and

1852
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,520
movies about like

1853
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,400
these biped aliens coming down that look

1854
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,000
kind of like us or they look like a

1855
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,920
squid creature or they look like this or

1856
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,040
they look like that like all these

1857
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,960
different guesses and sometimes they try

1858
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:48,560
to get as weird as humanly possible in

1859
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,400
order to get away from the usual tropes

1860
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,920
the reality is intelligence is uh other

1861
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:58,000
intelligence or

1862
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,839
other not even intelligence like we

1863
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,440
don't even know what we're talking about

1864
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:03,199
here at all like are we talking about

1865
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:04,159
intelligence are we talking about

1866
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,679
consciousness are we

1867
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,719
what are we talking about are we talking

1868
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,719
about a phenomenology of something like

1869
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,560
space animals

1870
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,679
we have no idea yeah and it's probably

1871
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,120
that

1872
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,199
i agree it's probably

1873
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,040
something outside the bounds of our

1874
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:21,679
ability to to talk about

1875
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,120
there are i absolutely believe um

1876
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,000
there's there's things on this planet

1877
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,679
um

1878
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:31,600
and things in space

1879
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:37,279
um that we either lack the um

1880
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:40,000
the sense the senses or the sensors to

1881
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,440
to see

1882
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,920
um that we will discover we are going to

1883
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,799
find

1884
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,080
more things

1885
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:48,719
about reality over time things that

1886
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,279
previously seemed super weird or things

1887
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,719
that we thought we didn't understand or

1888
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:54,159
we thought we had an understanding of

1889
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,520
until we found this other thing that

1890
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,560
contradicted that right um there's gonna

1891
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:00,000
be more of that

1892
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,440
and this is probably a variation of that

1893
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,800
um

1894
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,920
yeah and and alien life or or it just

1895
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,880
puts

1896
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,960
a nail in the coffin to so much like

1897
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:13,520
roswell and bodies and crafts and

1898
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:14,320
like

1899
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,080
that's not a that's not a thing anymore

1900
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,239
you know if they just genuinely are

1901
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,360
confused i think that i think that under

1902
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,360
any version of it they they are

1903
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,920
certainly not sure and they are confused

1904
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:29,920
and that could be part of why the

1905
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:33,280
secrecy has been kept up so long um

1906
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,560
yeah

1907
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,840
and there might have been different

1908
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,080
times of secrecy and there might have

1909
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,560
been different um people who felt

1910
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:42,159
differently about what to do which is

1911
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,960
why

1912
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,679
you've had mixed messaging and like

1913
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:47,040
sometimes it seems like the government's

1914
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:48,320
a little more open and other times

1915
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,440
they're not

1916
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:50,719
um

1917
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,800
yeah but yeah i i agree and honestly i i

1918
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,120
again i support this

1919
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,199
amendment

1920
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,560
generally

1921
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,800
it's just you know

1922
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,520
i want to say real quick why i have

1923
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,920
hesitancy about that

1924
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,280
real quick

1925
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,320
um i don't think we have agency and

1926
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,239
whatever is playing out and this is

1927
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,920
something i talked to jamarl thomas

1928
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,239
about um it's something i talk to talk

1929
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,880
to everyone about it's like

1930
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,280
we want to believe that ufo twitter is

1931
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,199
making a difference

1932
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,600
i don't i don't think it is

1933
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,520
i think that this stuff has all played

1934
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,920
out without us

1935
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,679
and that's

1936
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,760
what has me the most suspicious of all

1937
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,000
of it and and um

1938
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,560
it's it feels as though we don't really

1939
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,400
have a voice in this process the this

1940
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,560
amendment is not gonna pass or fail on

1941
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,159
the basis of whether or not we call our

1942
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,560
representatives that's just my opinion

1943
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,159
um

1944
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,840
everything else that has happened up to

1945
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,840
this point happened without any kind of

1946
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,320
public pressure whatsoever

1947
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,360
so this is just the next phase of

1948
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,600
whatever seems to be playing out that we

1949
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:04,239
have no agency in

1950
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,600
um

1951
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:07,600
i just feel like if

1952
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,800
if there was no ufo twitter

1953
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:13,600
there would probably be no

1954
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,120
you know lou elizondo almost maybe and

1955
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,199
would they even be talking about this

1956
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,120
stuff at all would any of this be public

1957
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,000
would there be a uap task force

1958
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,159
you know if there wasn't there was no

1959
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,320
ufo twitter i

1960
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,400
really that that we would know about at

1961
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,760
least like

1962
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,080
why would they have to be public with it

1963
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,760
except because we're the only ones that

1964
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,840
basically care

1965
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:39,679
if there's a louis elizondo there is a

1966
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:45,030
if that makes sense so what i i guess i

1967
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,350
so because of the of the nature of the

1968
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,360
of the question if we're talking about

1969
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,120
the possibility of other life in the

1970
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,360
universe and aliens and blah blah

1971
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,440
there's going to be some

1972
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:01,280
amount of people that respond to that

1973
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,480
period

1974
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:04,960
and i guess i i'm not saying that like

1975
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:07,520
the people of ufo twitter are irrelevant

1976
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,159
and i'm not saying like as people you

1977
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,600
better not

1978
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,719
like

1979
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,640
well it's great that you and i can talk

1980
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,560
like we met because of this to me that's

1981
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,400
what this is about it's about us being

1982
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,960
able to talk and sort through this stuff

1983
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,640
and honestly like

1984
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,960
therapy like i consider this probably

1985
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,960
therapy more than anything

1986
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,000
um

1987
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,000
but but do i can do i think that this

1988
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,840
conversation that i just had with you is

1989
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,120
going to

1990
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,840
make a difference um as far as like

1991
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,600
whether or not this amendment passes or

1992
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,199
like whether or not

1993
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,120
a journalist finally asks a damn

1994
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:43,440
question i hope so

1995
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,040
but but probably not um it's more about

1996
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,600
like therapy for me and you and like

1997
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,840
let's talk this out and see see where we

1998
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,280
end up

1999
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,360
but but the underlying thing i would say

2000
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,199
is

2001
01:14:07,830 --> 01:13:58,800
the

2002
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,840
and with or without ufo twitter and ufo

2003
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,880
twitter to me is just sort of a

2004
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,360
byproduct of the fact that there is a

2005
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,600
there is there are these questions being

2006
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,120
posed therefore there are people

2007
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,440
discussing those questions being posed

2008
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,280
now with the ufo topic you happen to

2009
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,280
have something that's gone back as long

2010
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,159
as it has and it's got a lot of history

2011
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,840
um there's a certain number of people

2012
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:27,840
that are always going to respond but i

2013
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,400
don't think that we are making a

2014
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:33,040
difference here i think that whatever is

2015
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,239
happening

2016
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,520
was

2017
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,800
you know not to make it into a

2018
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,440
conspiracy i'm just saying

2019
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,320
they have pr sheets they they know

2020
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,640
exactly what they're doing when they're

2021
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,560
not throwing cold water

2022
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:47,920
that's what i'm saying

2023
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,719
this is happening without yeah so

2024
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,560
it honestly makes me inclined to think

2025
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,719
that it is aliens and that they

2026
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,239
are slow disclosing it because that's

2027
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,239
like one of the ones that makes the most

2028
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,080
sense to me out of a litany of things

2029
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,560
that make no sense so

2030
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,560
you know what i'm saying and people

2031
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,800
people misread me a lot because i ask

2032
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,560
questions in a way that makes it sound

2033
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,320
as though i must not believe any of this

2034
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,239
it's like no yeah that's the that's the

2035
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:15,520
irony of it all it is and and and

2036
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,320
the reality of it is that i i do think

2037
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:20,800
that there's something to it my point is

2038
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,880
this game sucks and is dumb

2039
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:26,880
or it's a freaking cheat cook and i

2040
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,920
might well and you might die tomorrow i

2041
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:31,920
might die tomorrow i might die in a

2042
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:34,400
couple hours you don't know and it will

2043
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,870
[Laughter]

2044
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:44,560
yeah bring it back

2045
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,159
and that's why i'm angry and uh

2046
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:49,840
sorry

2047
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:52,480
yeah i i mean i don't get this all out

2048
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,679
there though it's good i think there's

2049
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,000
been a good conversation where we we

2050
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,480
articulate and get through

2051
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,400
these things in a nuanced way well

2052
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,400
that's the point i mean we don't have to

2053
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,480
take um you know

2054
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:06,719
no one's in the position to take their

2055
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,840
uh opinion about whatever this is as

2056
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:12,320
a hundred percent truth or fact so in

2057
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,600
that case

2058
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,600
like you have to be open-minded other

2059
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:17,920
opinions you may not even share

2060
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,080
um if they're grounded in some sort of

2061
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,159
practicality which i think cares are you

2062
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,000
know yeah well there's so much that

2063
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,679
isn't grounded in practicality that i

2064
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,080
don't share that i do believe like

2065
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,320
right i'm careful about what i say

2066
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,120
publicly about stuff like this because i

2067
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,159
i honestly i worry about um influencing

2068
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,719
people who are vulnerable i like i i

2069
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,719
feel i have a responsibility when i go

2070
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,040
out and i talk about this stuff to an

2071
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,080
audience it's like suddenly i'm not

2072
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,679
like it's not just about me and what i

2073
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,280
believe it's about

2074
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,840
something else and i feel i have a

2075
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,080
sometimes people tell me

2076
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,840
i wasn't interested in the subject until

2077
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:58,000
i started listening to your show and i'm

2078
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,880
like

2079
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,239
oh

2080
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,560
sorry

2081
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,400
and then and then they tell me some of

2082
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,679
the things that they believe and i'm

2083
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,960
like

2084
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,440
wait you entered this through my show

2085
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:12,000
and now you believe in reptilians like

2086
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,120
what

2087
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,280
uh you know

2088
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:17,360
but some of that you can't control but

2089
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,000
what i'm saying is i've i personally

2090
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,080
feel a deep responsibility to be as

2091
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,320
careful about how i talk about this as

2092
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:26,960
possible i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say

2093
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,360
every single thing that i believe

2094
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:30,640
or think

2095
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,360
um even if i'm pretty sure

2096
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,960
if that makes sense

2097
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,520
yeah no i hear you i understand

2098
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:40,560
um the one thing i'll say

2099
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,560
about um ufo twitter and and everything

2100
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:46,719
is i just

2101
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,840
i just

2102
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,920
you know so things could still play out

2103
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,159
obviously without ufo twitter and all

2104
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:55,360
that yeah um but

2105
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,560
i i not i don't think any of it would be

2106
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,679
as public as as it is

2107
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:03,920
um without

2108
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,960
ufo twitter yes we have surfaced it so i

2109
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:09,520
will definitely hand that to ufo twitter

2110
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,480
we have surfaced it for for lazy

2111
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:13,920
journalists who

2112
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:16,000
can't investigate things and they look

2113
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,440
on twitter instead of like actually

2114
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,440
researching things

2115
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,960
we put it in front of people's face i

2116
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:23,120
mean that you know yeah so i think

2117
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,480
there's something there

2118
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,440
um

2119
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,159
and yeah i totally agree i agree with

2120
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,239
you you know i i hear how you got to be

2121
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:32,080
careful with everything too

2122
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,199
um

2123
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:35,040
you know me being a little bit newer to

2124
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,640
this it's i just feel like i have to

2125
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,880
you say newer but you've got like stick

2126
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,040
to myself times the amount of episodes

2127
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,040
that i have i'm just saying yeah

2128
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,600
yeah a lot of experience new but a lot

2129
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:49,600
of experience i would just work through

2130
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,880
it you are

2131
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:53,280
far more of a pro at this than i am and

2132
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,600
uh you know whatever but you you you're

2133
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:57,199
doing awesome

2134
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,480
you're doing an awesome work it's

2135
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,920
amazing

2136
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,360
i love to see it

2137
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,440
yeah well i'm really happy you came on

2138
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:05,440
so i appreciate that

2139
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,239
what i really truly hope from from this

2140
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:11,520
video and it's probably um unrealistic

2141
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:14,800
to hope this but i hope that new people

2142
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,080
um see this and watch it and understand

2143
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:20,159
like how to have conversations with each

2144
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,560
other in this realm yeah you know one

2145
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:25,040
when you don't necessarily come at it

2146
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,960
from the same way because

2147
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,719
i think

2148
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,760
we do

2149
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,159
look at things differently but we're

2150
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,960
both kind of still grounded on those

2151
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:37,360
sides you know

2152
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,560
um

2153
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,199
and that's how we meet in the middle and

2154
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,560
have a you know good conversation and i

2155
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,320
take away something from it

2156
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,880
that maybe i didn't think of before and

2157
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:50,560
you know if you don't i hope somebody

2158
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,920
watches it does

2159
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,159
you know from me so

2160
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:56,640
um and it's it's just how the only way

2161
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,000
to really do this you know to just slam

2162
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:02,000
people down on twitter for

2163
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,600
saying something that you don't agree

2164
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,920
with and just nailing it home over and

2165
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,159
over is just unacceptable and

2166
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,199
and not adult and it's adolescent and it

2167
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:13,920
makes the community look bad i'll be

2168
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,960
honest with you you know i agree so

2169
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,800
if you want respect you have to act

2170
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,639
respectable you know

2171
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,080
yeah i

2172
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,679
that's that's how i've always felt man

2173
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,360
and um you're doing a great job with

2174
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,679
this show and uh thank you so much for

2175
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:29,040
thanks thank you so much for having me

2176
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,480
on um yeah any time you know if you

2177
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,480
reconvene in a few months and see see

2178
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:37,199
where things are at then a few months

2179
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,800
man i was thinking what do you got going

2180
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,000
next week

2181
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:42,800
no it was it was a great conversation

2182
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:44,159
and it you know

2183
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:44,800
i

2184
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,080
of yeah youtube youtube thank you man

2185
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,679
all right brother you have a good one

2186
01:21:05,590 --> 01:20:59,360
all right you too all right peace all

2187
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,709
my circle

2188
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:08,159
yeah oh

2189
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,820
there you go

2190
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:11,120
[Laughter]

2191
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,000
all right so that was uh mr zach that

2192
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,040
was a great conversation um i had an

2193
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,679
awesome time talking with him

2194
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:21,679
um and i've been looking forward to it

2195
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:24,960
for a while so thank you everybody for

2196
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:28,480
hanging out and being here with us i

2197
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,480
really do appreciate that and

2198
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,960
these are the kind of conversations i

2199
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,320
live for

2200
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,760
um

2201
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:39,679
most definitely 100

2202
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,400
so

2203
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,120
i have to go to the grocery store and do

2204
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,760
drawers now so

2205
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:47,840
um thank you again for catching up with

2206
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,639
me

2207
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,600
everybody here muserino og sky watch k4

2208
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:54,000
42d ethereal aura

2209
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,520
um

2210
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,320
bob marley laura

2211
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,320
um spaghetti was there earlier weighing

2212
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,080
chamber five

2213
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:04,639
uh diesel girl scotty

2214
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,280
everybody if i missed you i'm sorry

2215
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,600
um hopefully we'll see again

2216
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,600
i got a new song for you hope you like

2217
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:13,120
it lord best

2218
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:14,320
adios

2219
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,159
awake at 3 30 in the morning

2220
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,920
not quite the crack of dumb but early

2221
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,560
enough for a wide yawn

2222
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,760
and like it or not i'm up to think

2223
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:27,679
given the day who knows what's on the

2224
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,990
and even i know how this story goes

2225
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,239
betrayed by most but i'm still on humble

2226
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,159
on coast

2227
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,920
where the water finds a way to get out

2228
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:42,080
from underneath it i can smell

2229
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,490
my senses are real tall

2230
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,480
[Music]

2231
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,639
and at this rate it's insane to think

2232
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,560
we'll know it all

2233
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,239
both sides just want attraction for

2234
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,000
deception now give me some truth to give

2235
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,760
me nothing

2236
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,360
you said you would but it's been years

2237
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,800
and man that's really something how a

2238
01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:00,560
smile can take you this far but patience

2239
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,950
runs out like gas in a car

2240
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:04,000
[Music]

2241
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,970
and exotic maneuvers

2242
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,760
[Music]

2243
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,000
like a drunk in the bar

2244
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,320
no year to say the kingdom belongs to

2245
01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:14,159
anyone but us i just gotta know why the

2246
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:15,820
words collect so much

2247
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,960
[Music]

2248
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,400
are dust

2249
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:21,840
on

2250
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:23,850
the edge

2251
01:23:45,490 --> 01:23:37,510
are we

2252
01:24:02,950 --> 01:23:59,270
[Music]

2253
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:02,960
are we on the edge